Package Design - Create 3D Model from Dyeline/Blueprint
I'd like to be able to build a product package from a dieline created in Illustrator, fold it along specific lines, give it a UV gloss on parts, add foiling and embossing where required.
Hello everyone! I hope you’ve had a great holiday season. We’re just getting back from the break and I’m excited to say we’re moving forward with some great research and design on our dieline > 3D model feature. We have a survey with some questions from the research team. Any time is greatly appreciated!
Ares Hovhannesyan commented
There are a lot of packaging online apps where anyone can easily make visualization, We need apps that can help us and create many origami models that above mention apps can't do.
Michael Waksman commented
Add me to the list of users that would like information on Fantastic Fold!
Any news on a release date of the Fantastic Fold app?
Phillip Espiritu-Santo commented
I would love to see some of the features in Esko's Studio software that uses a plug-n for Adobe illustrator with their program Esko studio.
The Origami plug-in is $219 for a year. And lots of people who use Dimensions are from the packaging design industry. I would rather have it included with my CC membership for which I'm already paying through my nose than pay a 3rd party more for it.
Joshua Baldwin commented
A lot of people here want Dieline / Blueprint folding / modelling in Adobe Dimension.
I use a paid plugin for Illustrator called Origami, by a company called Boxshot.
I've been using it with Adobe Dimension since it was first released, and it works brilliantly at processing simple box layouts / artworks into usable .obj 3D models, which can then be used in scenes and marketing material! It also supports foiling, gloss etc.
I dont personally think this is required in Dimension, as it is a highly specific function that only people working in Packaging will require a feature like this!
Jane D commented
I absolutely agree with the comments about the need for a comprehensive program that works with packaging dielines in Illustrator. I'm currently using Esko Studio software -- plugin for Illustrator with some standalone components -- and have the ability to generate structure files from my dielines (or at least use the measurements to do so) for a variety of pack types (boxes, various styles of flexible packages, cylindrical objects, etc.) and then import them back into Illustrator, directly onto the built files. Sometimes we find errors in our design layouts when we are able to use the actual dieline to create 3D renderings -- very helpful before going to press. We also need to generate images of packs that have not yet gone to print, so we can get sales materials to the sales reps for new products before we have actual product in hand. We need resulting images that are high enough quality for printing on sales collateral. I would LOVE for there to be an Adobe solution for this. And yes, we need support for multi-part packs -- neck labels and front/back labels, display cases with multiples of individual units, etc. As others have mentioned, 3D PDFs would be very helpful for sales teams to promote product. I'm not sure what video people were watching, just stumbled across this thread and excited to see so many others with the same needs!
peter van deursen commented
Adobe should definitly come with an 'all in' solution like Stratavision or similar, the way to work 3d now in Illustrator or Photoshop is too much of a hassle, all you need is to be able to create shapes and adjust them, making textures and an easy way to map your to design on this shape, and of course lighting and camera's
My apologies! I had a security setting still enabled, I've disabled that and it should now be public.
I also get a message that the survey is private and can only be viewed by members of your organization. Happy to participate if that gets adjusted!
Dan Jorge commented
The survey says we'd need access prior to completing?
Love the discussion that's going on here, thank you for the thoughtful and constructive conversation. Let me share what I can!
First, to the question of Dimension/Illustrator workflows.
We are planning on an initial step which would be fully a workflow in Dimension. You would provide your dielines in .ai or .eps format with your artwork and cut/fold lines all together. In Dimension CC you would import this and the technology would automatically fold/cut a 3D model directly from your design, meaning all of your artwork would be mapped to the 3D model directly.
The Fantastic Fold demo was future facing as a vision, but the actual mapping of artwork back and forth between 2D and 3D won't be on our first step. For the first iteration, if you needed to update the art you'd likely have to go back to Illustrattor, do it there, then re-import. The goal is definitely to get a smarter workflow so you can do some art placement in 3D and we'll move it back to the Illustrator file in 2D as shown in the video, but that's not the initial thing we'd be shipping.
I'd love to know peoples thoughts on that workflow. Do you think the dieline > 3D model functionality on it's own is valuable enough as a first step?
Second, in regards to outputs.
At the moment we have a few outputs from Dimension. You can save your scene as a rendered image or you can save it to the web in a published 3D viewer. We are NOT currently planning on 3D PDF, but I do agree this is an important format. It just likely won't happen at the same time as the initial delivery of this feature. We'll work towards that, but as mentioned PDF uses a different material model, so in order to make our content look okay there, we'll need to do some work either on our side, or on the PDF standard. Discussions are in progress!
I agree with Jeff. We really really need 3D PDF. All of our contacts and customers are using Acrobat Reader to review designs, artwork, etc.. Allowing customers to view and rotate a design in Acrobat is absolutely mandatory. We can't expect customers to use multiple reviewing platforms and solutions. And in some larger companies, web access is restricted, and it can be a very big struggle convincing IT to allow acces to certain web portals.
Jeff Korzeniowski commented
Sharing 3D files for your needs do not necessarily fit others needs.. We need 3DPDF. We have customers that require it.. We have asked for them to go the browser route and they prefer 3D PDF. SO it is untrue that 3D PDF files aren't a good format. Its a format that you do not require. Better or not, these are our needs.
I do also want 3D PDF and a good browser viewer to be top on the list. But to not include 3D PDF because you don't want it is not a good argument.
from Tim's post, I'm not sure that 3D pdf remains a good format for sharing 3D.
A live "glb" preview in a browser is so nicier with PBR rendering than the flat gouraud shading of PDF looks poor.
(no normal texture, no shadows...)
Following Mark's post, I totally agree that it is mandatory to be able to see the same file in Dn (for rendering) than the File which goes in "production".
It should be tedious, errorful , and time consuming if you need to generate a dedicated file for the render.
I gues taht with smart options like "Layer Comp" that you can manage in a single file (with multiple artboards,) all the informatyion needed for the production and for rendering in Dimension. setting the visibility of some layers for one usage and some other for the other one in dedicated "Layer compositions".
Jeff Korzeniowski commented
Totally agree with Tim.. 3D PDF is on my top list of outputs.
For me, I would use it mainly as a pre-vis tool so that clients can see designs as they will actually appear when printed and folded. However, if it was possible to use Illustrator files (with dielines) as the image source when mapping in Dimensions, then you're also creating most of the artwork at the same time. It would also mean that only one 'live; file is required so it cuts down on duplication (exporting to .psd, etc.).
Thank you for the update Jeanette. Please allow users to save the result as a 3D rotatable PDF...
John C Miller commented
The Project Fantastic Fold is really looking amazing. But is this compatible with illustrator? I am a packaging designer and I am just keen to use this tool that would save so much time in terms of client presentation and artwork generation.
Illustrator 8.9.10 ... and the FOLDUP plug-in I use up to CS5 is only slightly improved. I wrote this in 2018.