Package Design - Create 3D Model from Dyeline/Blueprint
I'd like to be able to build a product package from a dieline created in Illustrator, fold it along specific lines, give it a UV gloss on parts, add foiling and embossing where required.
Hi everyone! Thank you for everyone who has sent in sample dielines! As mentioned before, we’re starting some research in this area and are looking for sample files to help guide the process.
We got a lot of submissions with general dielines but are currently looking for more samples that include artwork.
If you have dielines with artwork and graphics placed that you can share with Adobe (for internal research purposes only) please feel free to send me an e-mail: email@example.com.
- Jeanette, Dimension CC Product Manager
Jill B Gilbert commented
I have the same needs for package design. In fact, I tried Adobe Dimension for the first time today. I found that I could not specify the package dimensions (or proportions) and I could apply only one "decal" to my box. I will send Jeanette a file.
I recognize that Dimension is currently only a "skinning" program and not an actual 3D-building program, but I would absolutely love to have the ability to create dielines in Illustrator and connect them like smart objects to a model in Dimension, where if I adjust the dieline in Illustrator the model will update accordingly in Dimension. Ability to designate separate objects as separate materials (i.e. for creating product windows or foiling effects) would be hugely useful as well.
As a middle ground until/unless actual modeling functionality is added, it would be great to be able to open up an automatically-generated dieline for an existing Adobe 3D object so that we can compose & place our decal PNGs with better precision. For instance, when I try to put a decal on the standard box object that comes with Dimension, the front looks great but the side panels squish the art to 50% width; if Dimension could generate a dieline for that box that I could open up in Illustrator, I could match the art to the dieline to avoid distortion.
The LiveSurface Context plugin for Illustrator does this magnificently with their Plus objects, for instance.
1. Dyeline imports from illustrator, support transparency to take advantage of those amazing materials.
2. also ability to add multiple decals for side labels etc.
Jeff Korzeniowski commented
This is exactly what I would be looking for... The Packaging industry is in desperate need for an all in one solution from Adobe.
Carlos Díaz commented
build a pack imported from a dieline in illustrator would be terrific. as most professionals in the industry do not build their dielines in illustrator (but import them from more specialized software) no modifying would be required, just recognizing the main types of lines (creases, cut lines, etc).
Mark Aventino commented
It will be cool before folding to have possibility choose paper type and width. For example 2 mm textured cardboard, or 0.5 gloss paper, or 3mm goffered cardboard.
Mark Aventino commented
Where is great product – Boxshot ORIGAMI, Illustrator plugin. Via this plugin possible to convert Dyeline from illustrator to textured 3d model object. After it can be imported to Dimensions. BUT, if you change dyeline or design, you must all time reexport all via Origami to Dimensions. It is time waste. It is really needed functionality, to have possibility same as Origami, but without export and with live dyeline and design update. Also it will be realy cool to make possible import from Illustrator (as in ESKO): UV varnish layer, Metall Foil layer, Embosing layer. Also to slow/bad rendering without GPU usage! Also need to rerender fragment.
Thats would be a great thing to make 3d models from an Illustrator object folded at the dielines.
I think a simplier and easyer to use software like the expensive Esko Studio is that what many designer seeking for. a software that can Folding a tetrapack a pouchbag or what else is needed for packaging previsualisation is missing in the adobe portfolio...
Shawn O'Connor commented
This would be the most amazing feature. I think smart object linking to illustrator would be the best way to edit the dies. Please make this happen!
This is the first thing I looked forward to see when I installed Dimension CC, please make it happen!
We design or product in Illustrator in Layers. So we have an image/print layer a cut layer, crease layer and so on.
That we export the layers for Esko Artios Cad (mentioned earlier in this threat) or we can see a rendered live preview with Zünd Design Center plugin for Illustrator. Link: https://www.zund.com/nl/zund-design-center-software
We use this models for fitting without the need of an actual product, so a pré-fit. And a 3D model for our costumer. If you can manage this it would be great!!!
If Adobe is targeting product Designers with Adobe Demensions, I find it actually unacceptable that it is not possible to import 3D models from Artios Cad, Solidworks, etc!
I would like to address this problem first so that the "Pro's" can really help you!
It would be great if you could choose a dieline as an illustrator template that references 3D models in Adobe Stock, perhaps you can see the 3D model and which dieline it relates to. Then the user only has to export the artboards as PNG (or place it in CC library) and use as Decal on 3D model in Dimension
I have a similar challenge! Although I am looking to simply apply my packaging artwork to a simplistic shape in Dn CC.
I can place Decals onto an object but only 1 Decal per object/model is permitted at this point, information given to me by Jeanette. I was intending to do this as individual panels so it doesn't work setting it up like this.
If anyone has created a simple window or closed box using Dn CC and a dieline I would be more than grateful if you could share this?
I have an idea of how to do it and will attempt it today, but if this has been successfully attempted already I would be very happy!
Rehan Saiyed commented
I have been using Origami plugin for Adobe Illustrator to create die lines and folding, export it as obj file and import it into Adobe Dimensions/Felix for rendering. It will be extremly helpful if this feature is integrated into Dimension workflow, alsong with creating special printing effects - UV, Emboss, Foiling etc with Paper textures, just like Esko Visualizer.
You can veiw the project I created in Adobe Illustrator with Origami plugin and rendered with Adobe Dimension on the Behance curated gallery, called IDP Planner for Commercial Bank of Qatar.
Jeff Korzeniowski commented
The way i would want something like this to work is using Ai to create die-lines. The cuts and creases are spot colors which are interpreted by "Dimension" when placed. To edit folds etc, you could edit the "placed" model which should be a live link. Once its brought in you can select your lines and change fold angles as necessary.. still...all live. A better way of managing images is to open dieline in illustrator and it allows you to drop your artwork onto your die file. saving would update. Spot colors would indicate what objects are. graphics would now be included and fully editable. just a start
It would be very usefull if you could replace a spot color with gold, silver, matt or gloss varnish. Or apply a bevel.
@Jonny, the video was only intended as reference to illustrate how a folding process could work. Of course will many 3D modeling program allow folding of surfaces. And yes, they are to complex and difficult to use for the average Joe. Felix should be able to fold surfaces with ease. For example by selecting a line, and applying a folding angle.
The ability to edit the dieline after folding it into a 3d mockup would be useful. The problem with ESKO is that once you've made the 3D previs, the dieline is locked. You have to start the process from scratch if you want to edit the dimensions. This means redefining all lines (cut and fold) defining all fold angles (easy with a standard 90 degree angle box but much of what we do is more complicated) etc.
@Tim Melis, there are ways to produce a 3D previs in a number of 3D modeling programs. The problem is the steep learning curve and lack of integration to existing workflow. With a dieline you have already defined a flat "UV" map and all faces of the model. Adding options for substrate, finish and fold anlges should be a logical progression within the Adobe Suite that already contains 3D features.